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	<title>Comments on: Zotero proselytizing</title>
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	<link>http://nirak.net/2007/10/06/zotero-proselytizing/</link>
	<description>Karin Dalziel</description>
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		<title>By: Walter</title>
		<link>http://nirak.net/2007/10/06/zotero-proselytizing/comment-page-1/#comment-126718</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 04:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woooo... Seems like Refworks has an anti-fan club... Yea, they are pretty bad and I understand that some universities are thinking of switching away from Refworks... 

It is true that  investing in Zotero seems like a good idea, but there are 2 points to caution:

1. Will such sponsoring be after all a source of revenue and profit for Zotero? As in, it is meant to be free for social cause from what you are saying, hence we have to be careful when we are sponsoring them money

2. Will the company eventually be profit driven rather than socially driven?

I believe that Zotero can seek for funds, but if that is so, there are also other free reference managers such as Wizfolio and Mendeley that should be sponsored as well.

It is hard for Zotero to replace all of them, as each has its unique capabilities - Wizfolio is very good for science while Mendeley is useful for social networking. 

Hope all of these eventually be for a good cause for society through effective and efficient research rather than for business profits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woooo&#8230; Seems like Refworks has an anti-fan club&#8230; Yea, they are pretty bad and I understand that some universities are thinking of switching away from Refworks&#8230; </p>
<p>It is true that  investing in Zotero seems like a good idea, but there are 2 points to caution:</p>
<p>1. Will such sponsoring be after all a source of revenue and profit for Zotero? As in, it is meant to be free for social cause from what you are saying, hence we have to be careful when we are sponsoring them money</p>
<p>2. Will the company eventually be profit driven rather than socially driven?</p>
<p>I believe that Zotero can seek for funds, but if that is so, there are also other free reference managers such as Wizfolio and Mendeley that should be sponsored as well.</p>
<p>It is hard for Zotero to replace all of them, as each has its unique capabilities &#8211; Wizfolio is very good for science while Mendeley is useful for social networking. </p>
<p>Hope all of these eventually be for a good cause for society through effective and efficient research rather than for business profits.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://nirak.net/2007/10/06/zotero-proselytizing/comment-page-1/#comment-106804</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 01:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest bitch I have about refwork is how bad their technical support has become since they were bought by proquest. There are some really good people there but it seems that there are alot more bad people working there now. you hope that you get the one or two that understand your problem and can write a complete sentence but if you get one of the newer people, it&#039;s not pretty.

I like zotero but it&#039;s not nearly as flexible and it provides so few output formats. I imagine it&#039;s good for undergrads who need APA, Chicago or some other common style but it&#039;s almost useless to professional work in the sciences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest bitch I have about refwork is how bad their technical support has become since they were bought by proquest. There are some really good people there but it seems that there are alot more bad people working there now. you hope that you get the one or two that understand your problem and can write a complete sentence but if you get one of the newer people, it&#8217;s not pretty.</p>
<p>I like zotero but it&#8217;s not nearly as flexible and it provides so few output formats. I imagine it&#8217;s good for undergrads who need APA, Chicago or some other common style but it&#8217;s almost useless to professional work in the sciences.</p>
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		<title>By: Karin Dalziel</title>
		<link>http://nirak.net/2007/10/06/zotero-proselytizing/comment-page-1/#comment-74467</link>
		<dc:creator>Karin Dalziel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jcrue - As with any sensitive data, hopefully you have a backup. The new beta Zotero also has a sync feature that will sync your data to their servers so you can restore. I myself keep my Zotero database on a keydrive and back up frequently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jcrue &#8211; As with any sensitive data, hopefully you have a backup. The new beta Zotero also has a sync feature that will sync your data to their servers so you can restore. I myself keep my Zotero database on a keydrive and back up frequently.</p>
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		<title>By: jcrue</title>
		<link>http://nirak.net/2007/10/06/zotero-proselytizing/comment-page-1/#comment-74428</link>
		<dc:creator>jcrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what happens when your laptop crashes or is stolen and all you have is zotero? 

you&#039;re screwed right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what happens when your laptop crashes or is stolen and all you have is zotero? </p>
<p>you&#8217;re screwed right?</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
		<link>http://nirak.net/2007/10/06/zotero-proselytizing/comment-page-1/#comment-60687</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beliave Zotero it&#039;s really good..
You can also work inside Word or open office and interact with it..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beliave Zotero it&#8217;s really good..<br />
You can also work inside Word or open office and interact with it..</p>
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		<title>By: nirak.net - Musings of an LIS Student &#187; More thoughts on Zotero and proselytizing</title>
		<link>http://nirak.net/2007/10/06/zotero-proselytizing/comment-page-1/#comment-10540</link>
		<dc:creator>nirak.net - Musings of an LIS Student &#187; More thoughts on Zotero and proselytizing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 04:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wrote previously about Zotero proselytizing, and I think my choice of words was somewhat unfortunate. Some have seemed to take the term [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wrote previously about Zotero proselytizing, and I think my choice of words was somewhat unfortunate. Some have seemed to take the term [...]</p>
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		<title>By: darcusblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Resistance to Zotero?</title>
		<link>http://nirak.net/2007/10/06/zotero-proselytizing/comment-page-1/#comment-9247</link>
		<dc:creator>darcusblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Resistance to Zotero?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] helps clarify what I would call the dysfunctional organizational politics of these positions. In Zotero proselytizing, a library information sciences student observes the following: I donâ€™t talk about Zotero too [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] helps clarify what I would call the dysfunctional organizational politics of these positions. In Zotero proselytizing, a library information sciences student observes the following: I donâ€™t talk about Zotero too [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://nirak.net/2007/10/06/zotero-proselytizing/comment-page-1/#comment-8505</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Karin says at the end. 

But there&#039;s a bigger issue. The Zotero project has the potential to be a genuine user-led revolution in the best tradition of free software efforts like Mozilla. I&#039;d like to see scores of users and institutions pitching in to really dramatically improve on all of the solid technical potential in the Zotero foundations, to evangelize it to students, and so forth. 

To promote and contribute (in whatever form) to Zotero is thus much more than consumers choosing among like products, but really about investing in that world of open possibility. Other projects can freely pick up the code and the standards that Zotero uses to deliver still other solutions. If Zotero were to implode tomorrow, anyone could pick up the pieces and run with it.

By contrast, if you invest in a proprietary product like Endnote or RefWorks, that investment can never go farther than that vendor. You are basically paying for its internal development (which is guided by business concerns that do not always align with user interests), that gets crystallized into propriety code that can never be reused.

Just as a simple example, I&#039;m the author the XML citation style language Zotero uses. Our vision for that is an open language that can be used in any product (commercial or free) that wishes, and that we build up a distributed web of styles. Imagine, for example, a user being able to subscribe to a style just as they might an RSS feed. But all of that will be built on open technologies and standards. So the work we put into that will be more widely usable. Conversely, part of the reason this is all so much work at the beginning is that the styles in RefWorks and Endnote are closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Karin says at the end. </p>
<p>But there&#8217;s a bigger issue. The Zotero project has the potential to be a genuine user-led revolution in the best tradition of free software efforts like Mozilla. I&#8217;d like to see scores of users and institutions pitching in to really dramatically improve on all of the solid technical potential in the Zotero foundations, to evangelize it to students, and so forth. </p>
<p>To promote and contribute (in whatever form) to Zotero is thus much more than consumers choosing among like products, but really about investing in that world of open possibility. Other projects can freely pick up the code and the standards that Zotero uses to deliver still other solutions. If Zotero were to implode tomorrow, anyone could pick up the pieces and run with it.</p>
<p>By contrast, if you invest in a proprietary product like Endnote or RefWorks, that investment can never go farther than that vendor. You are basically paying for its internal development (which is guided by business concerns that do not always align with user interests), that gets crystallized into propriety code that can never be reused.</p>
<p>Just as a simple example, I&#8217;m the author the <acronym title="eXtensible Markup Language">XML</acronym> citation style language Zotero uses. Our vision for that is an open language that can be used in any product (commercial or free) that wishes, and that we build up a distributed web of styles. Imagine, for example, a user being able to subscribe to a style just as they might an <acronym title="Really Simple Syndication">RSS</acronym> feed. But all of that will be built on open technologies and standards. So the work we put into that will be more widely usable. Conversely, part of the reason this is all so much work at the beginning is that the styles in RefWorks and Endnote are closed.</p>
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		<title>By: karin</title>
		<link>http://nirak.net/2007/10/06/zotero-proselytizing/comment-page-1/#comment-6664</link>
		<dc:creator>karin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Megan- I have to confess, I have no idea what it means to use Zotero and your proxy server. I&#039;ve been able to capture citations from many of the databases at my school and at my work. 

I can understand faculty being unhappy if support went away on a product that they have been using for a long time. But at schools where such a system isn&#039;t so entrenched (i.e. schools that just got RefWorks a year or two ago) this should be even more of a reason to move over to a free system ASAP. 

As with anything, it&#039;s all about cost benefit analysis- you have to figure out how many people are using the tools, and what the cost is per person, and whether that&#039;s worth the cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megan- I have to confess, I have no idea what it means to use Zotero and your proxy server. I&#8217;ve been able to capture citations from many of the databases at my school and at my work. </p>
<p>I can understand faculty being unhappy if support went away on a product that they have been using for a long time. But at schools where such a system isn&#8217;t so entrenched (i.e. schools that just got RefWorks a year or two ago) this should be even more of a reason to move over to a free system <acronym title="As soon as possible">ASAP</acronym>. </p>
<p>As with anything, it&#8217;s all about cost benefit analysis- you have to figure out how many people are using the tools, and what the cost is per person, and whether that&#8217;s worth the cost.</p>
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		<title>By: karin</title>
		<link>http://nirak.net/2007/10/06/zotero-proselytizing/comment-page-1/#comment-6661</link>
		<dc:creator>karin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martha- There is a portable version of Firefox for Mac, check here: http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/20395. However, the portable Mac Firefox won&#039;t work on a PC and vice versa. I use portable firefox on a USB drive, which I use on all the PC based computers I use- computer labs at school, my computer at work, and my laptop. At home, I use Linux, and I have configured Zotero on my home computer to read from the Zotero folder on my USB drive drive. I hope that makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martha- There is a portable version of Firefox for Mac, check here: <a href="http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/20395" rel="nofollow">http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/20395</a>. However, the portable Mac Firefox won&#8217;t work on a PC and vice versa. I use portable firefox on a <acronym title="Universal Serial Bus">USB</acronym> drive, which I use on all the PC based computers I use- computer labs at school, my computer at work, and my laptop. At home, I use Linux, and I have configured Zotero on my home computer to read from the Zotero folder on my <acronym title="Universal Serial Bus">USB</acronym> drive drive. I hope that makes sense.</p>
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