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	<title>Comments on: Outsourcing student email to Google or Microsoft: Some thoughts</title>
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	<description>Karin Dalziel</description>
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		<title>By: James Behnke</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Behnke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the IT Director for a K-8 school district and was considering Google apps for our district e-mail at one point.  We purchased &quot;FirstClass&quot;, and product from OpenText, after we learned about new laws that require schools to be able to produce archived e-mails as a matter of public record (our attorney said that we needed to archive EVERYTHING that comes in or out via e-mal for SEVEN YEARS).  Google just recently announced a 90-day retention capability.

As private institutions, I suppose that these laws don&#039;t apply to colleges.  Some local K-12 network admins that I know have a conspiracy theory that these new archiving laws were pushed through by software companies who want to sell more expensive e-mail solutions to schools (who can least afford the software or the required tech support).

I like Google apps and agree with the notion that there are many other things that I could be doing that would more productive and interesting than managing a e-mail server (grants, training, researching new products, etc.).

I&#039;m not a fan of Microsoft (I use a Mac, BTW - as do many network administrators that I know) and would personally like to see Google knock them down a few notches.  I&#039;m tired of paying licensing fees for Office and have tried (unsuccessfully) to convince my district to switch to OpenOffice.  I really wish that more schools would take advantage of Google&#039;s product and switch to free, open standards-based products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the IT Director for a K-8 school district and was considering Google apps for our district e-mail at one point.  We purchased &#8220;FirstClass&#8221;, and product from OpenText, after we learned about new laws that require schools to be able to produce archived e-mails as a matter of public record (our attorney said that we needed to archive EVERYTHING that comes in or out via e-mal for SEVEN YEARS).  Google just recently announced a 90-day retention capability.</p>
<p>As private institutions, I suppose that these laws don&#8217;t apply to colleges.  Some local K-12 network admins that I know have a conspiracy theory that these new archiving laws were pushed through by software companies who want to sell more expensive e-mail solutions to schools (who can least afford the software or the required tech support).</p>
<p>I like Google apps and agree with the notion that there are many other things that I could be doing that would more productive and interesting than managing a e-mail server (grants, training, researching new products, etc.).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a fan of Microsoft (I use a Mac, <acronym title="By The Way">BTW</acronym> &#8211; as do many network administrators that I know) and would personally like to see Google knock them down a few notches.  I&#8217;m tired of paying licensing fees for Office and have tried (unsuccessfully) to convince my district to switch to OpenOffice.  I really wish that more schools would take advantage of Google&#8217;s product and switch to free, open standards-based products.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to your desire for a lifetime POP/IMAP address, I am fairly certain both services provide POP access to their mail.  They both support iCal as well so if students really wanted to, they could use about any e-mail and calendar client that they choose... Or maybe I misunderstood your meaning.

I like how you mentioned the possibility of giving students a choice between services and/or using both services.  From an IT perspective I don&#039;t know that this would be easy to implement with e-mail itself, but for the rest of the apps I think it would provide a definite benefit.  Another boon is that I am pretty sure both systems support single sign-on through active directory (and other services, but we mostly use AD here on campus).  So by writing a small wrapper that integrates with the single sign-on APIs for both services, students could log in one time and access their e-mail, Google Apps, and Microsoft&#039;s online applications (Skydrive, Office Live Workspaces, etc).

Google also mentioned that they intend to release a wiki of some sort for Google Apps in the near future.  This could provide an incredible tool enabling students and faculty alike to collaborate online.  Granted, right now the Blackboard system we use has wiki functionality, but it&#039;s pretty poorly implemented.  That&#039;s my impression from limited experience with it at least.  Blackboard&#039;s wiki is also on a per-class, per-semester basis.  With a Google Apps wiki,  I&#039;m assuming you could have wikis that span classes over multiple years and serve as a sort of knowledge base for classes here at the university.

On a mostly unrelated note, you were probably already aware of this, but the University has decided to stop offering Sakai for use on campus in favor of just using Blackboard.  I&#039;ve been at the University for the entirety of the &quot;trial&quot; of Sakai but never even heard about it until they decided to stop offering it.  I&#039;m pretty curious how much of the faculty/students on campus actually knew about the choice.  Anyway, the press release is here:  http://is.unl.edu/draft/sakai.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to your desire for a lifetime <acronym title="Post Office Protocol">POP</acronym>/<acronym title="Internet Message Access Protocol">IMAP</acronym> address, I am fairly certain both services provide <acronym title="Post Office Protocol">POP</acronym> access to their mail.  They both support iCal as well so if students really wanted to, they could use about any e-mail and calendar client that they choose&#8230; Or maybe I misunderstood your meaning.</p>
<p>I like how you mentioned the possibility of giving students a choice between services and/or using both services.  From an IT perspective I don&#8217;t know that this would be easy to implement with e-mail itself, but for the rest of the apps I think it would provide a definite benefit.  Another boon is that I am pretty sure both systems support single sign-on through active directory (and other services, but we mostly use AD here on campus).  So by writing a small wrapper that integrates with the single sign-on APIs for both services, students could log in one time and access their e-mail, Google Apps, and Microsoft&#8217;s online applications (Skydrive, Office Live Workspaces, etc).</p>
<p>Google also mentioned that they intend to release a wiki of some sort for Google Apps in the near future.  This could provide an incredible tool enabling students and faculty alike to collaborate online.  Granted, right now the Blackboard system we use has wiki functionality, but it&#8217;s pretty poorly implemented.  That&#8217;s my impression from limited experience with it at least.  Blackboard&#8217;s wiki is also on a per-class, per-semester basis.  With a Google Apps wiki,  I&#8217;m assuming you could have wikis that span classes over multiple years and serve as a sort of knowledge base for classes here at the university.</p>
<p>On a mostly unrelated note, you were probably already aware of this, but the University has decided to stop offering Sakai for use on campus in favor of just using Blackboard.  I&#8217;ve been at the University for the entirety of the &#8220;trial&#8221; of Sakai but never even heard about it until they decided to stop offering it.  I&#8217;m pretty curious how much of the faculty/students on campus actually knew about the choice.  Anyway, the press release is here:  <a href="http://is.unl.edu/draft/sakai.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://is.unl.edu/draft/sakai.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
		<link>http://nirak.net/2008/02/21/outsourcing-student-email/comment-page-1/#comment-24300</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I had gone to these presentations, but ultimately I just want Google email all over campus for employees and students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I had gone to these presentations, but ultimately I just want Google email all over campus for employees and students.</p>
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		<title>By: karin</title>
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		<dc:creator>karin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Megan - Yes, Google talked about the other productivity applications, which would all be branded under &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Google Apps&lt;/a&gt;&quot; for your domain. 

They also talked about collaborating with other institutions using &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/apps/business/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;team edition&lt;/a&gt;. I was a little unclear how the faculty and staff will collaborate (since they&#039;ll keep the old lotus system)- I assume they&#039;ll just use all the Google product features except Gmail, and pick a Google apps username. I, for one, would be happy to switch to Gmail over Lotus notes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megan &#8211; Yes, Google talked about the other productivity applications, which would all be branded under &#8220;<a href="http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/index.html" rel="nofollow">Google Apps</a>&#8221; for your domain. </p>
<p>They also talked about collaborating with other institutions using <a href="http://www.google.com/apps/business/index.html" rel="nofollow">team edition</a>. I was a little unclear how the faculty and staff will collaborate (since they&#8217;ll keep the old lotus system)- I assume they&#8217;ll just use all the Google product features except Gmail, and pick a Google apps username. I, for one, would be happy to switch to Gmail over Lotus notes!</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
		<link>http://nirak.net/2008/02/21/outsourcing-student-email/comment-page-1/#comment-24155</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for these great notes! Did Google talk at all about Google Groups and whether or not they&#039;d ever include that in their application suite (email/calendar/docs)? I&#039;m curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for these great notes! Did Google talk at all about Google Groups and whether or not they&#8217;d ever include that in their application suite (email/calendar/docs)? I&#8217;m curious.</p>
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